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ALARIC 25th March 2021 20:21

Stranded in the Suez Canal
 
I have searched the site for what I had hoped would be a learned discussion on how to move the Evergreen box and get the canal opened.
Back in the day, we would certainly have had that debate on the old SN site.
If it is on this site it is well hidden, from me at least.
It seems to me that a ship with this vast area exposed to strong gusty winds was travelling far too fast, master and pilot very much at fault?
I have just heard an 'expert' on tv news saying it would have to be unloaded!
My solution would be plastic explosives to blow the bulbous bow, rudder and screw (or whatever else the ship is snagged on) off.
It will be interesting to see how the job is actually done.
Any ideas lads??
If you had a box ship somewhere near Singapore today, bound for Rotterdam, what course would you set?

Julian N 25th March 2021 20:44

If they do have to start to unload her then a trip around the Cape might be a way to go. At least you could have a good idea when ships would arrive. A transit for a ship this size is about $700,000 and last year when demand in Europe dropped and bunker prices collapsed due to the pandemic, that is what many did.

BobClay 25th March 2021 21:38

Shades of back in the day when the Suez was closed because of warfare and we plodded to and from the Gulf via the Cape of Good Hope. Helicopter drop of supplies off Capetown (Castle Beer, not a bad drink.)
I've been looking at this on Marine Traffic AIS and that jam is just getting bigger and bigger.

Malcolm G 25th March 2021 21:58

Actually there is a discussion open on SN.
But why not here as well.
The early reports stated that the ship had suffered a 'black out'. I guess that they meant loss of power, and control.
If you look at the AIS track she veers into the West bank and then turns across to the East. Those with experience (unlike me ) suggest that as the ship closes on the bank the water pressure builds to effectively push it away and without power or control the result is as you see it.
Maybe the pilot tried to ease out of the main channel to allow others to pass and it all went wrong.

170 Driver 25th March 2021 22:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobClay (Post 38089)
Shades of back in the day when the Suez was closed because of warfare and we plodded to and from the Gulf via the Cape of Good Hope. Helicopter drop of supplies off Capetown (Castle Beer, not a bad drink.)
I've been looking at this on Marine Traffic AIS and that jam is just getting bigger and bigger.

Bloody good drink.
Particularly as its associated (in my head) with sitting in`t sun.

Dartskipper 25th March 2021 23:10

Edward Cavendish, the wine importers based in Southampton, used to bring Castle Lager in from SA with a large range of wines and spirits from KWV. I haven't seen any imported Castle beer for some time now. I agree it is a good drink.

john Cassels 26th March 2021 07:32

Stranded in the Suez canal - sounds like a Bruce Springstein song .

Malcolm G 26th March 2021 08:47

Current news reports tell us that a 'sudden gust of wind' was the cause. So my suggestion above might be based on false premise.
They also tell us that it might take weeks to clear.. That part I can believe.

expiloter 26th March 2021 08:51

Stranded in the Suez Canal
 
The BBC have nailed the incident. It is a tanker!!!!! Wot a bunch of dumbos.

Tim Gibbs 26th March 2021 09:24

Present methods to dislodge her with diggers she seem fairly futile - she looks well aground forward. The best hope is probably a couple of big suction dredger getting in real close and rainbowing into the bank. Perhaps they should try running that 80,000 hp engine astern for a while - that'll shift some sand! If it gets to unloading boxes I would buy shares in Castle Lager :supercool:

Tmac1720 26th March 2021 11:42

I have it on good authority (BBC) the Captain was Del boys Uncle Albert :thumb:

Lao Pan 26th March 2021 13:06

I'm just surprised that the bum boat men haven't pulled her off yet - or are they still packing up shop.

Reminds me of a conversation I had with Lao Pan Tai Tai (Mrs Lao Pan) when I was teaching her to drive 30 years ago "I think you will find it's too narrow for a 3 point turn" "No I think I can do it" "Told you!"

ALARIC 26th March 2021 13:21

And Lloyds List reported that the Ever Greet, a sister ship to the one stranded in the canal, had altered its heading and begun to sail for the cape.
Evergreen seem to be sure that their Ever Given is Ever So Stuck

Varley 26th March 2021 13:24

From someone who reversed into a wall on his first driving test I can only commiserate with Mrs. P WRT narrow lanes. I don't think, however, that Suez pilots would use Norfolk Broads' manoeuvring should they attempt a turn of any degree.

(On my second test I was accused of using the mirror too much. The examiner admitted this was an unusual complaint but that I was expected to look ahead occasionally).

FG86 26th March 2021 18:23

I'm sure the bridge voice recorders will reveal the true cause. As so many similar vessels pass through every day, I can't help but think unless it was a technical fault then complacency of bridge staff / pilot will be the cause.

Jaytee 26th March 2021 22:40

A couple of big powerful oil industry anchor handlers should get her off.

Pilot Mac 27th March 2021 06:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaytee (Post 38129)
A couple of big powerful oil industry anchor handlers should get her off.

Possibly, but unless they strengthen the towing points they will do more damage than good. Probably pull the forecastle off!

regards
Dave

Engine Serang 27th March 2021 08:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pilot Mac (Post 38134)
Possibly, but unless they strengthen the towing points they will do more damage than good. Probably pull the forecastle off!

regards
Dave

If she was built in China I'd believe it but she was built in Imabari Shipbuilding (Japan) so QC would be ok.
But if the Foreca'stle was pulled off it would reduce the ford draft, good. Did they put divers down? maybe they hit a few Tesco trollies.

What is the profile of the canal at the location, I would have thought that it shelved fairly sharply and did not provide a large area of sand to run aground upon. Ever Given sort of ran into it rather than onto it. Surely to God (which ever one you use) the Canal Authority have such a scenario on their Risk Register and have a palette of solutions???? The crafty Old Dutchman will sort out the stramash and make a few Guilders or Dinars for doing so. Pinksterfest will be good this year.

Chillytoes 27th March 2021 08:45

Yes, the cause is always steering failure or some such. There was a time when new ships were reported to have a number of steering/engine faults, just to build up a history.
Anyway, I reckon that any vessel in such a narrow passage will have to be very carefully handled, especially in Ever Given's loaded condition - the sail area is enormous! A butterfly's wing flap would be enough to throw the ship off course.

Faxferryman 27th March 2021 12:25

The vessel has buried its bulbous bow in the bank, if you lok at the photos of it, you can see that sand has been displaced quite a way behing the port side of the BB. So no matter what size BP tugs you have, and the SCA has some powerful tugs (I attended several Bollard pull tests on there tugs) until the bow area port side is clear, the vessel will not go anywhere. That appears to be what is happening now with the Salvors.
With regard the cause of the incident, it appears that mechanical failure is not the cause, it should be noted that the wind may be a part of it, but also the hydrodynamic situation of the vessel and interaction with the banks, I am not an expert in this, but know people who are.
I smile at some of the comments in the press from "experts" such as the drivvel that the guy on G C***** writes.
With regards to clearing the backlog, the canal currently operates at about 50% capacity, so if it is cleared in the next day or so, which may be possible as the dredging appears to be going well, it could be back to normal service within a week. The main additional problem may be slowdowns passing the area where the bank is damaged.
As one other commentator has said, at least the BBC hasnt got a photo of a tanker, the size of 4 football pitches in the story, which is at least a shade above the normal abysmal coverage of marine incidents.

Gulpers 27th March 2021 13:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faxferryman (Post 38149)
.......... As one other commentator has said, at least the BBC hasnt got a photo of a tanker, the size of 4 football pitches in the story, which is at least a shade above the normal abysmal coverage of marine incidents.

Never mind football pitches, CBC News reporting here that Ever Given, “Weighs as much as 50,000 elephants!”

ALARIC 27th March 2021 13:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gulpers (Post 38150)
Never mind football pitches, CBC News reporting here that Ever Given, “Weighs as much as 50,000 elephants!”

Whatever the unit of measure the press never pin it down.
African or Indian elephants?
American or FA football pitches?
GRT or DWT?

BobClay 27th March 2021 13:52

Bloody hooligan elephants upsetting world trade .... !!! :p

Bob Scott 27th March 2021 13:52

It's not just with shipping that the Beeb hacks spout ballcocks. More than once I've heard reports of a jack-knifed goods vehicle blocking a motorway. Pictures then reveal that it's an overturned rigid truck and, once, a Transit van

John Rogers 27th March 2021 16:06

That darn wind is everywhere, recently it Blew Joe Biden off of the steps boarding Airforce 1,three times at that.

rogd 27th March 2021 17:12

The Suez Canal crisis is now blocking a huge shipment of erotic toys from reaching the Netherlands.

Tim Gibbs 27th March 2021 21:17

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It could happen anywhere

Engine Serang 27th March 2021 22:54

I got sent the same photograph with the caption, "Begorra only in Leitrim".

BobClay 28th March 2021 10:49

The answer is right there !!!

Get out and push the bloody thing. (Jeez, seafarers today, bunch of big girl's blouses... )

:big_tongue:

FG86 28th March 2021 14:48

today i was sent the AIS track f the vessel, it would appear she was making a very erratic course which was increasing in intensity for quite a while prior to the crunch. Possibly trying to counter the wind but over-steering/compensating as well as fighting the channel/canal effect lead to the problem?

john Cassels 28th March 2021 16:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by rogd (Post 38157)
The Suez Canal crisis is now blocking a huge shipment of erotic toys from reaching the Netherlands.


That's because they reach the Nether regions other toys don't reach .

rogd 28th March 2021 16:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by john Cassels (Post 38176)
That's because they reach the Nether regions other toys don't reach .

If anyone gets a run ashore in Rotterdam they'll have to be extra careful until supplies are restored!!

Varley 28th March 2021 17:59

Surely a supply of the real thing, complete with its own jolly jack, would be in demand if there is a shortage of such 'objets phalactic'. Better be careful about the user though, marking them as unisex may not be solely down to gender neutral labelling policy.

surveychile 28th March 2021 17:59

In my humble opinion, I believe that the transit of these huge ships should be analyzed and studied again to carry out the transit through the Panama and Suez Canals. It should be considered that both canals (Panama and Suez) were built and delivered in 19th and 20th centuries, for existing ships at that time; ships with a totally different design to those of now, with a smaller size and tonnage, measures more different than the current ones, this would require a restructuring of the transit of this new design of these vessel, to rule abot the number of containers embarked on board and the conditions of the trimming of the containers on board.


Regards


Tomi.

PATFOU 28th March 2021 19:20

Just a thought as the evergreen is stationary, the thrust of props from the tugs pushing water against the bow as they try to pull it can`t be helpful, or doesn`t it matter

Tim Gibbs 28th March 2021 19:26

I remember often on the Suez transit the bridge would ask for minimum revs. On a very old 67LB6 Doxford , by fiddling with the fuel valve sectors, we could get down to c.17 rpm

ALARIC 28th March 2021 23:09

Financial Times reports that Egyptian President Sisi has ordered containers to be unloaded.
Where does he think the sky hooks are coming from?

Chillytoes 29th March 2021 02:18

Recent reports suggest that the rudder is now movable and the prop is free. As such, it would appear that the aft end is relatively clear, so why are they not directing tugs to the aft end and pulling that around? The reports also say that there are rocks at the bow, so tugs pulling the stern around mid-stream might also shift these rocks. But leave it to the salvors, they have been around for a bit and I guess they had already thought of that. Maybe the best tugs are at the wrong end of the canal?
Looking at a diagram of the canal profile is a bit of a worry. There is only what looks like a narrow channel in the middle, about 80ft deep and the sides slope up from 50ft to nothing at the banks. Not much room to manoeuvre there.

Chillytoes 29th March 2021 07:42

Hey, looks like someone from the salvors reads this site! They took my advice.
(Just kidding)

R58484957 29th March 2021 08:22

The longest ship is x metres long so why not dredge the canal to x metres plus so that both ends of the ship cannot touch both sides at once.


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