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BobClay 10th May 2017 18:44

Spotless Sun
 
Heralding the approach of the next Solar Minimum in a couple of years time today we have a completely spotless Sun. We'll see more and more of these as time passes. Solar activity cycles have been in decline over last few decades leading to some observers predicting another 'Maunder Minimum' period such as experienced in the 17th Century.

http://www.spaceweather.com/

But that isn't to say the Sun is calm. Yesterday this ferocious and gigantic firestorm was observed on the solar rim.

http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv...load_id=135421

There was a time when Sparks would be concerned about solar activity because it could send HF comms down the toilet. Modern comms systems are equally vulnerable to the Sun's tantrums.

Spectacular sight though.

Naytikos 11th May 2017 06:23

I am in the satellite business in a way, as I run a cable-TV system and downlink the programming from geo-stationary satellites. My dish-farm has 12 antennæ at the moment. Twice a year, around the equinoces the sun falls directly in line with each satellite in the equatorial arc in turn, the solar radiation obliterating all signals for around 15-20 minutes. This lasts for 4 - 5 days.
Although this has been happening since satellites were first placed in earth orbit the average member of the public is unaware of the phenomenon and doesn't even hear about it unless they watch cable-TV between 1100 and 1500 local time at their location.
Obviously non-geo-stationary satellites are affected as well but as they travel at 17000MPH the solar interference is momentary and obviated by the FEC methods used in the transport of whatever type of signal they are relaying.
It is entirely possible that a prolonged solar event could cause a more significant interruption of satellite signals which might well have catastrophic consequences for certain applications.

ShipwreckX 11th May 2017 07:13

I remember the solar cycle that peaked around 1968 wasn't much of a cycle, and it followed the strongest one of the 20th century. The next one was predicted to be even weaker, instead it rose quickly after the minimum in 1976, in 1977 I was hearing stations using 25 mhz. The cycle after that was nearly as good, peaking in 1989, then came one like the 1960s cycle, and it's been downhill since. It's hard to describe how good it was then, that it was hard to listen sometimes because EVERYTHING was coming in at once. Of course, there were lots of storms, too.

BobClay 11th May 2017 08:55

The current cycle has seen quite a large decline in maxima.

http://www.solen.info/solar/images/c...ent_cycles.png

Hawkey01 11th May 2017 10:11

Yes the good days of 22Mcs and I do remember using 25Mcs with those ships fitted or with synthesisers. Can always remember the conversations about the sun spot activity and
whether to run search points on 22Mcs or double up on 16Mcs.

Neville - Hawkey01

BobClay 11th May 2017 15:11

I think I only ever worked on 25 Megs once, and that was to a Scandinavian Station who favoured that band back in the day. For sure the high end of the HF spectrum was often greatly at the mercy of an active Sun.
But then the entire HF spectrum is at the mercy of Ra the Sun God in a bad mood. (I'm not in anyway religious, far from it .. but if I had to have a god to worship, old Sol would be a definite contender, very big, very powerful, and very .. very necessary to our existence. Godlike in anybody's book.) :D

Farmer John 11th May 2017 15:19

As an electronic ingnoramus, can I ask if this is the problem that was flagged up about GPS accuracy some time ago? That was stated to be possible due to "Sun Activity". I did think an inactive Sun would be a problem.

Sparks69.5 11th May 2017 16:57

Remember Dellinger Fade outs ?
Dire warnings from GKA

BobClay 11th May 2017 19:03

Another one I remember was 'Sporadic E.' Bands of hooligan electrons roaming about causing trouble ...:sweat:

Varley 11th May 2017 22:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Farmer John (Post 2813)
As an electronic ingnoramus, can I ask if this is the problem that was flagged up about GPS accuracy some time ago? That was stated to be possible due to "Sun Activity". I did think an inactive Sun would be a problem.

The Sun gets colder and the little band of ham-bone operatives get the shivers when shooting noon on a chilly bridge wing. This affects their cocked hat size adversely. Similarly the hand shakes when trying to put the aerial plug back in the GPS. (Had there been Sparkie to do the job then it would have been done, shakes or no shakes, we're used to that problem).

BobClay 11th May 2017 22:52

Alcohol improves the shakes, providing you can un-sync it from normal environmental shaking. :p

ChasD 12th May 2017 06:37

For anyone having an interest in solar activity, whether from radio ham activities or professionally as with Naytikos, there is a useful source of info here ... http://www.solarham.net/ , one that I use regularly.
On the subject of Maunder minima and the like, there is an interesting article here ...
https://howtheatmosphereworks.wordpr...rface-climate/ if you have the patience to work through it !
Regards ... Chas


BobClay 12th May 2017 10:15

That solarham site is good. :thumb:

I'll also add this site which gives daily updates on space phenomena directly connected to the Earth (Solar activity, auroras, near misses etc etc):

http://www.spaceweather.com/

Sparks69.5 12th May 2017 17:35

I will give that site a miss. I worry about too many things these days.

Andy 12th May 2017 18:42

I'll bugger off to vhf/uhf amateur bands for a few years :) Way too much local noise around here for the lower HF bands.

I'll wake up for Bouvet Island though, supposedly active in early 2018.

Troppo 16th May 2017 23:02

40m (7 MHz) is still good in the late afternoon here.

BobClay 25th July 2017 17:48

Colossal explosion on the Sun observed a couple of days ago. Fortunately on the far side, so no particular effects to be observed on Earth.

Hell of a bang though.

http://www.spaceweather.com/images20...9uedg8p1d83vg1

ChasD 26th July 2017 13:29

This sort of big bang thing – a ‘Carrington Event’ – named after some guy before even my time, is apparently more likely during solar slack times. The potential for damage to the satellite flock is, shall we say, ‘significant’. There was, in 2003, what became known as the ‘Halloween Super storm’ which gave some indication of that potential. As we go into the forecast solar down-time the risk of a ‘Big-un’ is reckoned to increase. Might be time to dust off the old paper nav system!

Troppo 26th July 2017 23:18

DMR....talk all over the world from your local repeater... ;-)

vkdmr.info

BobClay 4th September 2017 23:04

Well proving not so spotless, one enormous sunspot and another developing like the clappers nearby, possible flares from these could give HF a hard time in days to come.

http://www.spaceweather.com/

jg grant 5th September 2017 11:51

Bob#17 fascinating mate. How would you know about a big bangy thing on the other side of Sol? Spring time here and 20 degrees, just sayin'like.

BobClay 5th September 2017 12:17

Ad Del boy would say .... "It's all done by statellite thingies..." :sweat:

Dartskipper 5th September 2017 19:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobClay (Post 7665)
Ad Del boy would say .... "It's all done by statellite thingies..." :sweat:

Or maybe a small mirror on an extremely long selfie stick......:sweat:

BobClay 28th September 2017 23:36

I've never seen one of these ... but I have to tell you ... I really want to. Top of my bucket list.

http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv...load_id=139555

BobClay 13th October 2018 09:42

Due to a gigantic hole in the Sun's Corona we are getting a fair old blast of Solar Wind, which is giving rise to some spectacular aurora's.

This one from a few days ago ….

https://www.newsflare.com//video/245...aurora-iceland

Harry Nicholson 14th October 2018 20:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobClay (Post 18887)
Due to a gigantic hole in the Sun's Corona we are getting a fair old blast of Solar Wind, which is giving rise to some spectacular aurora's.

This one from a few days ago ….

https://www.newsflare.com//video/245...aurora-iceland

I'd take a look tonight -- if only they'd switch off those lights on teesside. Anyway, we are on the flanks of the moor above Eskdale, so the ridge opposite is a pain.
I suffered a proximal fracture of the humerus 7 days ago - so won't be going far. It hurts . . .

BobClay 14th October 2018 20:52

Dark skies are hard to find these days.:bad_mad:

Troppo 22nd October 2018 03:08

40m (7 MHz) is still good. I regularly receive WSPR signals from Europe in Australia.

BobClay 11th November 2018 11:55

The Sun is very quiet approaching the minimum, but huge holes in the Corona are leading to spectacular auroras of late …. :shock:

http://spaceweathergallery.com/full_...1bcatn7e9vqsv3

Sparks69.5 13th November 2018 13:42

Who needs Solar winds when the Russians are playing with the GPS ?

BobClay 13th November 2018 13:46

They're pretty much playing with everything else these days … and getting away with it.

So why not ? :confused:

BobClay 28th November 2018 00:25

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Don't be fooled. Those green b@stards are slowly and surely drawing their plans against us. :sweat:

BobClay 28th February 2019 10:58

Seems to be a lot of chatter about these Over the Horizon HF Radars which are currently splattering across both Amateur and Broadcast Bands on HF. I can hear a few of them and for the WEB SDR site at Utwente it's lifting his receiver off the bench by the look of it.
They have a large bandwidth and presumably a huge amount of power. The Russians appear to be getting the blame for it. This is not the 'Woodpecker' we all knew (and loved ?) back in the day. They certainly don't seem to care where they use it on the spectrum and just transmit where they please, presumably depending on propagation conditions.
Some info about them here:
http://www.southgatearc.org/news/201...0#.XHe74dN2t9B


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